Peter Thiel said that Google should be investigated by the US government for supporting China, and accused the company of being infiltrated by Chinese state security in an interview with Tucker Carlson of FOX News in 2020 and finding the others democratic presidential candidate "inconspicuous".
TUCKER CARLSON, FOX NEWS: Peter Thiel co-founded PayPal. He was one of the first investors in Facebook. If someone knows a lot about Big (ph) PAC and its performance and potential dangers, it's Peter Thiel. That means something when he warns that Google, the most powerful company in the world, has become a threat to US national security. They may even have betrayed, he says.
Speaking at the National Conservatism Conference in Washington yesterday, Thiel warned that Google may have been infiltrated by Chinese intelligence services and immediately investigated by the FBI and the CIA.
I am glad that Peter Thiel is with us tonight. Peter, thank you for coming. So ̵1;
PETER THIEL, MITGRUNDER, PAYPAL: – Thank you for having me.
CARLSON: What did you mean when you said that?
THIEL: Well, it was just a series of questions I asked, how do you know that artificial intelligence is something that people in Silicon Valley talk about all the time – but they almost never talk about their double Use. Of course, if it is real, if it is real, it can also be used by the military, it will be armed in all sorts of ways and it is an important national security issue who has it.
Against this particular background, Google is working with the Chinese on the communist government, not the US military. The decision of the Project Maven was therefore the decision not to cooperate with the US military, but with the Communist Chinese.
And so the question, you know, from the outside is just – what on earth is going on there? And I suggested a few different options. But I think, you know, it was – they have it as a Manhattan project for A.I. So if you send around the broadcast that you have a Manhattan project for A.I. Of course, this would attract the attention of foreign intelligence agencies.
I think the Chinese are confident enough, the Ministry of State Security has probably infiltrated Google, and then Google management made some sort of decision to either let the software out or find it stolen anyway and go out the back door.
CARLSON: If you say you believe the Chinese state security has probably infiltrated Google, what does that mean?
THIEL: Well, if you say you are building a Manhattan Project for A.I., do not you think that would arouse the interest of foreign intelligence agencies?
CARLSON: Yes. Yes –
THIEL: It's just hidden in sight. And then they are – well, I think there is some sort of all the way Chinese nationals in the US engage in espionage. I do not even think so – it's understandable that China is doing that. You are facing a very serious competition with the US, but we are not particularly wary, and if you have a number of superfuturistic technology projects that you have sent across the world, this could lead to suspicion. And then, the strange fact that is undeniable is that Google is working with Communist China, but not with the US military, to make the breakthrough. A.I Technology –
CARLSON: Why is that?
THIEL: Well, that's the question. I mean, I think one explanation is that they find out they have to, because it will – if they do not let them through the front door, it will be stolen through the back door. The first answer is that they have to.
And then, of course, I think, you probably know that a broad base of Google employees who are ideologically very left-wing, has woken up and thinks that China is better than the US, or that the US is worse off than China is. It's always – it's more anti-American than anything else.
CARLSON: Always. But this is by definition a threat to US national security, as you emphasize. So, if Sundar Pichai were sitting here, what would you say to him?
THIEL: Well, I would say, answer my three questions. How many foreign intelligence agencies have infiltrated Google? Have infiltrated – especially the Chinese? And why are you working with Communist China and not the US? What is the reason why you do that?
CARLSON: Why do you think that – the questions you raise – and this and that in no way to minimize their importance – are obvious questions? Why did not the answers (incomprehensible) be determined?
THIEL: Well, it's possible that there are people in the US government who care, and they did not tell us. But yes, I think the FBI and the CIA are the natural places to deal with it. The FBI would look at it from the inside; the CIA would look at it from the outside and try to see if their people from outside control people inside Google or –
CARLSON: If anyone – that's almost rhetorical – but someone like you many companies, do you think it would have been possible to start, start and grow a business like Google in China? Or –
THIEL: I do not think so – I think the US is still better in terms of innovation and beginnings, but they certainly can be copied and replicated.
THIEL: And that's true of all the groundbreaking technologies we have. Most of them have their origins and are still developing in the West, but they do not give us much benefit if they are relocated within a few years, if not within a few months.
CARLSON: So I have to ask you – I assume you watch the democratic primaries unfold. Who is the most impressive candidate in this race?
THIEL: Well, Elizabeth Warren scared me the most. You know, I think she's the one who actually talks about the economy, which is the only thing I think – the one I think is the most important thing by far.
THIEL: And then I think that almost everyone else is equally insignificant in the sense that it's identity politics of one kind or another, and I do not want to judge how inconspicuous they are because that would force me to classify the other identities and which are more privileged and special –
– and that would be dangerous.
CARLSON: It's hard to know. It's like –
THIEL: But I think Elizabeth Warren is the Dangerous.
CARLSON: I think that's right. Peter Thiel, nice to see you. Many Thanks.
THIEL: Thank you.