When Giuliani was asked on Thursday morning for details of the complaint that several US officials were "deeply worried" about his activities in conversation with Ukrainian officials and nationals, he called the charge "utter nonsense."
Giuliani spoke with CNN several times on Thursday morning from his room at the Trump International Hotel in Washington, DC. During one of these phone calls, the sound of the House Intelligence Committee hearing Joseph Maguire, Acting Director of the National Intelligence Service, was heard in the background.
Giuliani dismissed the allegations in the complaint that two State Department officials had spoken to him to "contain the damage he inflicted on US national security concerns over his work with Ukraine.
"At no time did any of them say he wanted to contain damage," Giuliani told CNN. "At no time did the Foreign Ministry, in contact with me, pass on any information that you speak of."
Giuliani also said he had a "nice touch" of texting talks with the leading US diplomat to Ukraine Kurt Volker to prove his story.
"I've talked and met with the State Department at least ten times over this situation," Giuliani told CNN.
Giuliani said Volker had informed him Donald Trump and Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky ran well. He also said that Volker had first contacted him a few days earlier, around July 19, to link Giuliani with one of Zelensky's top consultants, Andriy Yermak] "Mr. Mayor – has breakfast really enjoyed this morning, "reads CNN's message. "As discussed, here you connect with Andrey Yermak, who is very close to President Zelensky.I suggest we plan a joint call on Monday – maybe 10 or 11 pm Washington time? Kurt"
After at least two phone calls between Giuliani and Yermak, the two men finally met in Madrid on August 1, according to Giuliani. Giuliani also told CNN that he shared all the details of his talks with Yermak with his contacts in the State Department, notably Volker.
"I do not think they would thank me if I interfere with foreign relations," Giuliani said. "And I do not think they would call me and bring me Yermak, which they undoubtedly did, even if they were not satisfied with what I did, but I can not imagine why they would be unhappy "I've told them everything I've done, there's nothing I've done that they do not know."
In a statement last month, the State Department acknowledged that Volker Zelensky's advisor Andriy Yermak was in "direct Contact "with Giuliani brought. But the state downplayed the idea that he had instructed Giuliani to speak with Yermak.
"Mr. Giuliani is a private citizen and acts in person as the attorney for President Trump and does not speak on behalf of the US Government." Read the statement of August 23.
The whistleblower's complaint states that US officials described the Madrid meeting in August as a "direct follow-up" to Trump's call to Zelensky.
According to the White House's transcript of this appeal, Trump and Zelensky discussed two deadlocked cases in the Ukraine that Giuliani had investigated in his capacity as Trump's lawyer. One of them involved a company for which Joe Biden's son Hunter Biden was a member of the board of directors. Trump told Zelensky that he "would like him to call you [Giuliani]".
Giuliani told CNN he was unaware that his meeting with Yermak on August 1 was to be followed by Trump's call with Zelensky. Giuliani claimed that he did not know that Zelensky and Trump had named his name. He also said he had not talked to Trump about his meetings with Yermak, nor had he discussed the July 25 call.
During the Thursday morning interview, Giuliani complained about his treatment of the whistleblower.
I should be as nice as a whistleblower. I've done my job and now all these people are torturing me, "he said.
He also said he had more text messages, five or six, suggesting that the State Department encouraged his work in Ukraine.
"I will use her to protect me when and when I need her," said Giuliani.